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Old 14-August-2010, 01:02 AM
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Good question. Answer - dont know.The Bittern one ( Sunk 1918 ) is different.
Btw the mark on that is for the Crown Staffordshire Porcelain Co. Ltd and was used from 1906 onwards, typically on copies of antique porcelains.
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Old 16-August-2010, 03:54 PM
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Hi Guys, pulled some pottery off a wreck we are trying to identify today. Has some nice marks on. I have an egg cup with similar marks from the Port Napier, in Isle of Skye.
Don't suppose you could sort out some pics of the egg cup and marks could you?

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I have a couple of pieces also from the napier with similar designs
Likewise - would it be possible for some pics?
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Old 17-August-2010, 12:54 AM
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So Admiralty, WW2.
I think that will help indeed.
Possibly not
The other examples have been nearer WW1 - but that's not to say that the anchor wasn't being used later. It'd be great to be able to get some more examples to check this.

Also there are a couple of examples that have come from a merchant vessel - so not necessarily an indicator of an Admiralty vessel either. It looks like the SS LEICESTER was voyaging from Portsmouth though so could be feasible that her general cargo included crockery intended for Naval vessels.

Did anything else come up to help with dating?
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Also there are a couple of examples that have come from a merchant vessel - so not necessarily an indicator of an Admiralty vessel either. It looks like the SS LEICESTER was voyaging from Portsmouth though so could be feasible that her general cargo included crockery intended for Naval vessels.
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the plates were definately cargo.. were retreived out of the hold. ;-)
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Hi Neil, sorry about delay with pics been busy.

These were off WW2 mine layer.




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Ok, bit of an update:
The fouled anchor mark with the "A" above indicates crockery made for the Admiralty for use in naval establishments or onboard ships. The mark includes a number at the bottom, but I haven't yet been able to find out whether that has any useful meaning. It clearly doesn't relate to a manufacturer and it doesn't seem to relate to a particular size/type or design either.

Most of the occurrences of the mark I've seen so far are on pottery with early 20th century makers marks although the Bovey example is a possible exception. I think all the examples so far are on pre-WW2 made pottery. I am still chatting to a few people to try to find out whether there is any record of when the mark stopped being used.

That said there are a couple of examples of pottery bearing these marks coming off WW2 wrecks. Without some examples bearing later manufacturer marks I'm thinking these may well be items that were made pre-WW2 coming out of the stores and being used during WW2.

Yoda: the Copeland mark you have on the plate and cup you found dates from around the 1920s.

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I have a couple of pieces also from the napier with similar designs
1 Ashworth Bros Hanley
the other from a damaged coffee cup
reads
OFFI:MAG:ADMIR:MAG:BR:&C
both have the admiralty anchors the coffee cup has a crown above
I believe this (anchor, crown and inscription) is Admiralty medallion. The inscription may also be found starting with "SIGIL:" and means "The Seal of the Office of the Lord High Admiral of Great Britain, etc".

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the plates were definately cargo.. were retreived out of the hold. ;-)
Hehe - there's a clue there somewhere then

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Hi Neil, sorry about delay with pics been busy.

These were off WW2 mine layer.
No worries mate - again, early 20th century mark but WW2 wreck...
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Front of Minton plate:

Seems this design denotes the item was intended for the Chief Petty Officers' mess and was discontinued in 1941.

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The crossed anchor design indicated it was intended for the Petty Officers' mess. This was discontinued in 1926.
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Where did you manage to find all that?
Some of my current reference books, some responses to a bunch of emails fired off and a bit from a new book that arrived this morning that also included the answer to the "WR" mark on a plate recovered from HMT Swallow
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Some of my current reference books, some responses to a bunch of emails fired off and a bit from a new book that arrived this morning that also included the answer to the "WR" mark on a plate recovered from HMT Swallow
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`W R` could stand for ward room-i have one off a 1st w.war battleship that had `w w,an it came from the ward room
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`W R` could stand for ward room-i have one off a 1st w.war battleship that had `w w,an it came from the ward room
The design is indeed one for ward room crockery
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Great research, Neil. Many Thanks for the info.
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